499Block在线访谈第9期:Jeffrey

2019年10月10日 16:06

 

  

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  499第九期在线访谈

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  Jeffrey Wernick

  来给499小姐姐以及广大链圈的朋友们

  传播一些正能量

  

  

  | 时间:7月26日 18:00

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  访谈正式开始>>>

  1

  Q:您说过您不喜欢ICO,并且大部分也都是山寨币,但您投资了不少链,并且一定程度上也为他们在站台,这是否和您的理念有分歧?您觉得什么样的币是你所欣赏的?

  You mentioned before that you dont like ICO, and most of them are fake coins. But you did invest a lot of them and support them in certain level. Is that discrepancy with your idea? what kind of coins you favorite?

  A:我持有的货币中99%以上还是比特币, 一开始我对购买其他币种有些犹豫。我参与区块链的主要动力来自它促进人们加入数字货币的领域,拓宽关于去中心化和数字统治的讨论。并且希望能借此减少对法币的需求,就算有垃圾币,相比法币还是不那么危险。

  除了比特币,没有哪个平台或者项目是真正去中心化的。

  但至少它促进了讨论,提高了人们的认知,而且我们开始看到一些项目在推动数统治的概念,也就是说人们拥有自己的数据,管理它的使用、谁能看到这些数据、怎样用它来盈利。

  我有一条数字宣言:我们产生的数据和信息产权是我们自己的!只有征得我们的允许才能使用!必须在我们不丧失人格的前提下可以转移。

  所以我个人倡导不再使用法币或者Facebook。

  我们可以创造一个新的,不剥削我们的社交媒体,不存在审查,我们可以自行决定怎样接触和使用数据,没有什么算法来操控数据。

  我最喜欢的币还是比特币,在我看来,比特币代表自由和真理,而其他币是有这个潜力。

  Bitcoin represents more than 99% of my crypto holdings. At first I was very hesitant to buy anything but bitcoin. My main motivation for participating in blockchain was because blockchain was inducing people to enter crypto and broaden the discussion regarding decentralization and data sovereignty. And would hopefully lead to a reduction in the demand for fiat. So even if they are shitcoins, they are less dangerous than fiat. None of the platforms or projects besides bitcoin are truly decentralized. But at least it provokes discussion and promotes awareness. And we are beginning to see projects that promote the concept of data sovereignty. Where people own their own data and control its use, access and monetization, I have a Data Manifesto. Our data and the information we produce is our Property! Should only be used with our Permission! Must be Portable! Without that we will lose our Personhood! We should stop using fiat.We should stop using Facebook. We can create a new social media without the exploitation of us! Where censorship does not exist. Where we decide access to our data. And no algorithm manipulates the data. My favorite coin is Bitcoin. Bitcoin is freedom and truth. The other tokens are potential.

  2

  Q:比特币站上8000,您认为现在牛市已经开始了吗?今年是普涨行情还是大蓝筹行情?本轮上涨行情背后的推手?

  The price of bitcoin have reached 8000$. Will it be a bull market this year?Whats your opinion about this years market? Whats the major reason of price rising?

  

  A:2009年以来,我看到太多波动,我相信比特币的概念和法币的骗局,我坚信法币会在自身的压力下垮塌。我坚信再有5年,比特币价会比现在还高,我一枚比特币都没卖过,前段时间跌破6000点的时候还买了更多。

  我没有把比特币当成是投机性的资产,我是基于原则,基于对自己理念的奉行而购买的,我会继续购买,继续持有。

  发币是一种奴役,它印刷和发行的过程是腐败的,历史证明对钱币的管控从来不是什么好事,也不可持续。人类历史大部分时间,货币价值和黄金这样的硬通货挂钩。所以政府政府在印刷上面不慎重,在发行方面部分慎重,发币改变了这一点。

  这个世界大部分人被债务所负累,而没有为财政自由和财富积累努力。但是为了偿还债务努力工作,人们又为了消费借贷,这就是债务奴役,这一点也不持久。信用越来越便宜,创造了幸福的假象。但信用是你的负债,不是你的资产。

  Since 2009 I have seen so much volatility, I believe in the concept of bitcoin. And the fraud of fiat, I am confident fiat will implode. And I am confident that within 5 years bitcoin will be much higher than it is today. I have never sold one bitcoin, And bought more recently when it went under 6000 the other week. I do not treat it as a speculative asset. I buy from principle, commitment to the philosophy. I will keep buying and holding. Fiat is slavery. How it is printed and distributed is corrupt. Granting the sovereign control over money has never proven to be either a good thing nor sustainable. Throughout most of history. Money has been backed by something tangible like gold. Throughout most of history. Money has been backed by something tangible like gold. Fiat changed that. Most of the planet are debt slaves. Not working for financial freedom or wealth accumulation. But working to pay off debt for money they borrowed to fund consumption. Debt slavery, not sustainable. Credit is made cheaper to provide the illusion of well being. But it is a liability. Not an asset.

  3

  Q:您也经常参与一些中国的区块链的分享,您对于中国在未来区块链的发展有什么观点?您认为硅谷和北京,哪里会领导未来的区块链变革?

  You have joined a lot of Chinese blockchain projects. Whats your opinion about Chinese blockchain future?Which group would lead the future of blockchain, Silicon Valley or Beijing?

  A:我希望,未来区块链的发展可以超越地理位置。区块链的本意就在于让一切本土化,让地理不再重要。

  无障碍的点对点关系应该成为我们的目标,中本聪的白皮书中特别提到过这一点。在一个去中心化的世界里,每个人就形同一个节点,地理位置毫无意义,不这么想的话就不是真正的区块链思维。

  

  (中本聪白皮书)

  我们必须把旧的模式扔掉,为这些概念创造一种全新的语言。始终为减少点对点交互中的阻力而奋斗,自愿交易中间不应该存在障碍,交易是很自然的行为,而国界是人为设立、并且通过武力维持的。

  只有通过交易,我们的生活才会变得更好,我们可以想跟谁交易就跟谁交易,想在哪就在哪,为什么要设置人为的障碍呢?

  I hope the future of blockchain is independent of geography. The point of blockchain is that everything becomes local and geography becomes irrelevant. Peer to peer relationships without friction. That should be our objective. That is the one of the points of the Satoshi paper. In a decentralized world. Everyone is essentially a node. Geography becomes moot. To think otherwise is not proper blockchain thinking. We must create a new language for the expression of these concepts. Throw out the old paradigm. Always looking to reduce friction! There should be no impediment to voluntary exchange. Exchange is natural. Exchange is natural. Our lives are only made better through exchange. Why would we ever want to put artificial limits regarding who we exchange with and where we exchange.

  4

  Q:大国博弈中,虚拟数字货币的地位?主权货币和比特币等的关系又会如何?大国和小国未来的经济形势是什么样的?有一种声音说争夺对比特币的定价权,在您看来这种观点是否成立?

  Whats the position of digital currency in competitions among countries?Whats the relationship between currency and digital currency in the future?whats the relationship between great power and small countries?Somebody mentioned that “fight for the price power” . Do you agree with that?

  A:我不信任任何背后有强权以及通过行政裁量发行的钱币,这种通过和政治捆绑的实体,并且有高准入门槛的货币,不管它是何种形式。把发币直接从纸质换成数字是很扭曲的。

  而且在美国,它寓意着巨大的权利。这是一种基于美元在世界货币地位的霸权,并且被当做一种武器,通过控制对支付系统的接触来奴役他人,不光是是美国本国公民,更是大部分世界。

  这种制裁代表着金融恐怖主义,美国是一个金融恐怖国家。这也许是所有恐怖主义中最恶劣的一种。

  I do not believe in any money backed by force issued by discretion, in whatever form, through politically connected entities with high barriers to entry. Just changing fiat from paper to digital is perverse. And the USA, referring to great powers. It's hegemony is based upon the dollar being the reserve currency of the world. And it is used as a weapon to enslave. Not only American citizens. But most of the world through control of access to the payment system. What do sanctions represent. Financial terrorism. The USA is a financial terrorist nation. Maybe the most insidious form of terrorism.

  5

  Q:您认为您是一个成功的投资人么?您比较欣赏的投资人有哪些?您为何欣赏他们?他们是否也进入虚拟数字货币的投资市场?

  Do you think you are a successful investor?Could you please tell us some investors you admire and the reasons? Have they joined to the digital currency market too?

  A:我不喜欢用形容词来描述自己,我把描述的权利交给别人。我个人更喜欢交流观点,而不是攀比成就,我觉得那很虚荣。

  我没有特别关注其他投资者的动向,不过我对那些为了自己的信念而甘冒风险的人保留敬意,我钦佩那些签署独立宣言的人,他们明白如果美国独立战争失败,自己就会死。这些人为了理想,为了一个理念,赌上生命,而且是以自己的性命为赌注,不是夺取他人的性命,这值得佩服。

  赚钱没什么好佩服的。

  像区块链内容平台ContentBox的Renee那样创业,她卖了自己的房子,改变了自己原有的生活方式来创业,她堵上了自己所有一切,为了实现梦想,这样的人我还是佩服的。为了别人重视的东西真刀真枪,不是在企业管理部门用别人的资金做事业,而是用自掏腰包来。

  I do not like to use adjectives to describe myself. I leave the adjectives for others. I prefer to exchange ideas and not compare or contrast achievements. I think that is vanity. I do not pay attention to other investors. And I reserve admiration for people who put something up at risk for something that they really believe in. I admire the people that signed the Declaration of Independence. They understood it would lead to their death if the American Revolution failed. People who risk their life for an ideal. An idea. Who risk their own life. Not take others lives. That is to be admired. Making money is nothing to be admired. I totally agree that when we make friends, we are concerned about the people himself, not his achievements and auras. Building a business. Like Renee of ContentBox. She sold her home. Sacrificed her lifestyle. To build a business. She bet what she had. On herself and an idea. That I admire. Real skin in the game to build something valued by others. Not with just OPM. But risking ones own money.

  6

  Q:您一直非常有精力穿梭在中美之间,您是如何保持旺盛的精力和体力的?您最想完成的事情是什么?在区块链这个产业里面,您最喜欢做的事情是什么?最不喜欢做的事情是什么?

  You always keep energetic traveling between America and China. How do you keep your energy? What do you expect to accomplish most? Whats your favorite and your most dislike in Blockchain field?

  A:我旺盛的精力来源于我对所做事业的热情,还有很大部分来自我遇到的人。中国人民对我特别热情慷慨,你们太热情啦,很难无动于衷。

  我觉得这大概是一种共生关系,我自己就是活力四射的人。特别熟悉我的人不多,但我觉得自己保留了一些孩子的特点,好奇,喜悦,调皮。热情和精力是会互相传染的,要把好的想法当一回事,不要太把自己当回事。要把责任当一回事,但是绝对不要把自己看得太重。

  I believe my energy comes from my passion. And a lot comes from the people I meet. The people in China have been so warm and generous to me. So much enthusiasm. It is hard not to feel it. I think it is symbiosis. I am an intensely passionate person. Very few know me well. But I think I have conserved and preserved some childlike qualities: Curiosity, Joy, Mischief, Energy and enthusiasm are contagious. Not taking yourself too seriously, Ideas are worth taking seriously. Responsibilities too.

  7

  Q:您最想完成的事情是什么?在区块链这个产业里面,您最喜欢做的事情是什么?最不喜欢做的事情是什么?

  What do you expect to accomplish most? Whats your favorite and your most dislike in Blockchain field?

  A:我想做的事情是加深人们的思考,思考怎样通过建立互信和对个体自治的信念,一同创造一个更好的世界。最近有太多不和谐的声音,关于圈内很多人的不良行为,比如假项目和垃圾币,人身攻击等等。

  区块链本来应该代表共识互相协助与合作,或许我们也可以一起签署一份宣言或者原则条款。所以我最不喜欢的事情就是大家不团结,总有个别人行为不轨,我们必须做得更好。

  要找到让大家可以团结一致的基准原则,而且用通用的语言表达出来,只有到那时候我们才能建立广泛交流,促进大众接受,我们的话语一定要像交响曲一样和大众产生响亮的共鸣。鲜活的图形化表达,让大家对我们要重塑的世界是什么样子有一个具象的认识。

  Q:您怎么看待陈伟星与李笑来的撕逼事件?

  What’s your perspective about the quarrel about “WeiXing Chen against XiaoLai Li”?

  

  A:只有一句话,我反对撕逼。伟星是我的好朋友,但他应该把心思放在打车链上,领导力是通过以身作则,做出积极表率来实现的,应该去建造。他们应该马上停下,要防止诈骗不难,大家都知道谁是骗子,避开就行了,骗子只有有人同谋的时候才能成功。

  如果骗局泛滥,只能说明很多人同流合污,行骗已经成为系统性的了。就算指出一两个又怎样,人人都知道是系统性问题。

  行骗猖獗是因为有利可图,这也是我坚持比特币的另一个原因,因为没有骗局,你要么通过挖矿,要么购买,才可以持有比特币,没有骗子生存的空间,不是靠集资赚钱,没有内幕交易。

  WeiXing is my good friend. But he shouldfocus on VV Share. Leadership is by example and setting a positive example.Through construction, they should both stop immediately. It is easy to stopcheating. Many know who the cheaters are. Avoid them, Cheaters only succeed ifthere are many accomplices. If there is a lot of cheating. It is because thereare many accomplices. It is because the cheating is systemic, So why botherpointing out one or two people. Everyone knows it is a systemic problem, It hasthrived because it has been very profitable, which is another reason I stick tobitcoin. No cheating. You either work by mining or buy bitcoin. No cheating. Nomoney is made by raising money. No Insider deals.

  8

  Q:最后一个常规问题:币圈最欣赏哪位小姐姐?对于区块链小姐姐们有什么建设性的支持观点吗?对于我们499区块链小姐姐群有什么建议吗?

  The final and common question, which female do you admire most in blockchain field? Do you have any constructive viewpoints to support female in blockchain field? Do you have any suggestions to our 499 blockchain community?

  A:我强烈支持女性自立自主,做真实的自己,坚持你的价值观和原则,都说成功是百分之一灵感和百分之九十九汗水,全身心投入,多为自己考虑,不要停止问问题。

  I support vigorously female empowerment. Stay true to yourself and your values and principles. It is said that success is one percent inspiration and ninety nine percent perspiration. Immerse yourself. Think for yourself. Constantly question.

  策划 / 朱朱 妍兮 Trista

  编辑 / Venis

  翻译 / twangling



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